Episode 34
What is S.H.I.P.? She Has Infinite Potential
In this week's episode of Ongoing Mastery: Presenting & Speaking, Kirsten and Kellie talk about a new group of nine women that Kirsten is a member of, a panel whose mission is to promote women in tech. Find out which of the nine Greek Muses Kellie thinks Kirsten is.
Key take-aways:
- Everyone experiences imposter syndrome, even people who are experts
- Online connections are genuine even if they’re different from those built in person
- Your audience is cheering for you and wants you to succeed
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- Nine Muses of Greek Mythology
- Joe Ganci's LinkedIn profile -
- She Has Infinite Potential | Panel Focused On Women in Tech | YouTube Channel
- She Has Infinite Potential | Panel Focused On Women in Tech -
- The Society for Creative Anachronism | SCA
- She Has Infinite Potential (S.H.I.P.) panel's LinkedIn page
- Imposter Syndrome | Psychology Today -
- Home | Innovation Women
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Transcript
Hello everyone and welcome to Ongoing Mastery:
Kirsten:Presenting & Speaking the podcast and also we are professionals today.
Kirsten:We are having a day and it's just lovely.
Kirsten:And we, we are you to join us.
Kirsten:Hey, I'm Kirsten Rourke, CEO, and Founder of Rourke Training.
Kirsten:And this is Kellie
Kellie:Donovan-Condron, writer, producer,
Kirsten:and herder of cats.
Kirsten:Awesome.
Kirsten:So what are we talking about today?
Kirsten:Kellie
Kirsten:. Kellie: Well, I hear you
Kirsten:wanted to know more about it.
Kirsten:. Awesome.
Kirsten:Yes.
Kirsten:Yes.
Kirsten:I am a board of new ship.
Kirsten:I am part of a mentorship sponsorship.
Kirsten:All the ships.
Kirsten:All the ships.
Kirsten:So S.H.I.P.
Kirsten:is, She Has Infinite Potential and it is a lovely, lovely group of eight women.
Kirsten:So nine total with me that I met through Innovation Women.
Kirsten:Which is a visibility speaker bureau that you and I are both part of and Yep.
Kirsten:For the listeners and the watchers, it's a group that really focuses on trying
Kirsten:to get more women on more stages and just supporting speakers of all kinds.
Kirsten:So there's men and there's women in there, but the goal is to
Kirsten:kind of increase the visibility.
Kirsten:And then S.H.I.P.
Kirsten:is specifically trying to target our areas.
Kirsten:So we've formed panels where we can go at conferences and do group panels based.
Kirsten:Our combined interests and we're doing the Women in Tech Global Conference.
Kirsten:We got in, go us.
Kirsten:That's okay.
Kirsten:That's so great.
Kirsten:And we've been doing lives on LinkedIn and are combining our, our expertise.
Kirsten:It's awesome because we have a really diverse group and
Kirsten:everybody's really committed to.
Kirsten:Helping and being useful and being helpful and not, you know, it doesn't
Kirsten:have that icky sort of salesy pitch feel that sometimes these things do.
Kirsten:No.
Kirsten:So it's really, really
Kellie:nice.
Kellie:It's definitely service
Kirsten:oriented.
Kirsten:It is very much service oriented.
Kirsten:So you actually have watched a few of ours, including the one that didn't
Kirsten:quite work and then restart it, . So what is your experience of S.H.I.P.
Kellie:So I like, I've listened to two different weekly webinars, and I like
Kellie:that they're not always on the same day and time, but there's a pattern.
Kellie:So one of the days is shortly before my class, so I can't always get to
Kellie:it because I have students in my office or I'm still prepping for
Kellie:the class that's about to start.
Kellie:but I know it's there, but I don't miss all of them because there's
Kellie:the every other week timing.
Kellie:Mm-hmm.
Kellie:. So I appreciate that about the scheduling, and I think that's a great way to try
Kellie:to include as many people as possible.
Kellie:And I like that the topics are universal in terms of their importance
Kellie:to the audience they want to serve, but small enough to handle
Kellie:in a 20, 30 minute chunk, right?
Kellie:That this isn't a 90 minute commitment.
Kellie:All the time to solve all of women in tech problems every week, all of things.
Kellie:I, I appreciate that they are . I appreciate that they're positioned
Kellie:as a series of conversations that are going to be ongoing on a set of.
Kellie:Core topics that will continue to be interesting and crop up in
Kellie:new ways for people, or here's a different take from a different field.
Kellie:I know Malia, for example, is an engineer, so she's gonna have a little bit of a
Kellie:different take on something than Kristen, who's a ghost writer, copywriter person
Kellie:to you who comes from learning and.
Kellie:. Yeah, so I like that diversity of people coming to the core set of topics in short,
Kellie:manageable chunks on a regular schedule.
Kirsten:Cool.
Kirsten:Yeah, I'm, the thing I like most, I like two things most about it.
Kirsten:One is Malia is sort of our captain of our ship and she's the leader and
Kirsten:has been kind of doing the intros and all that, and she's got this wonder.
Kirsten:Energy and it's really lovely to be in a webinar where it's like, hi
Kirsten:everyone, I'm Malia dun dun, you know?
Kirsten:And she's like right there.
Kirsten:And you're like, okay, I can have a nice energizing 15, 20 minutes.
Kirsten:Cool.
Kirsten:And so, yeah, I like that.
Kirsten:Because you know, for what we do, we spend a lot of time with our clients
Kirsten:trying to help them get that energy.
Kirsten:and broadcast that because it's a hard technique to learn, and so it's
Kirsten:really lovely to see it done Well.
Kirsten:The other thing that I like is that I got a feedback conversation with
Kirsten:a friend of mine who's an expert in learning and development named Joe
Kirsten:Ganci, and he's been attending and said, well, I just wanted to send you a note.
Kirsten:I know, you know, I'm not a woman, but I found this really valuable
Kirsten:and I'm like, you don't have to be a woman to watch or listen.
Kirsten:It's all good.
Kirsten:And he said that he really found the talks useful and especially we were talking Wow.
Kirsten:A little bit about imposter syndrome.
Kirsten:Yeah.
Kirsten:And we had a lovely conversation because he and I talked
Kirsten:about our shared everybody.
Kirsten:I don't know anybody that hasn't suffered from imposter syndrome, like
Kirsten:doesn't have that in the back of their.
Kirsten:But I was really surprised.
Kirsten:You don't, you don't have imposter syndrome.
Kirsten:I'm guilty.
Kellie:No,
Kirsten:I'm guilty.
Kirsten:I was raising my hand.
Kirsten:I'm guilty.
Kirsten:Oh, you're guilty.
Kirsten:Okay.
Kirsten:Okay.
Kirsten:I wa I was gonna say, I'm like really because I, you
Kellie:know me well enough, you know I have
Kirsten:imposter syndrome.
Kirsten:I've, I've seen you feel Yeah, no, I think everybody does and yeah.
Kirsten:I'm gonna mute my mic for a quick second.
Kirsten:. Okay.
Kirsten:My kid just is like, yeah, I got that.
Kirsten:You're live on a podcast and it's great.
Kirsten:Hi, welcome.
Kirsten:The joy of doing internet.
Kirsten:So the thing that really struck me about it is that that session, which I mm-hmm.
Kirsten:, I watched, I wasn't in spawning conversation with my friend who, yeah.
Kirsten:I used to be a fan of, and I'm still a fan of, but now we're actually friends.
Kirsten:And when he said, yeah, this is really something I, I struggle with.
Kirsten:I was like, but everyone knows you.
Kirsten:You're, you're the e-learning Joe, like you're famous in our industry.
Kirsten:And he looked at me and.
Kirsten:What, like he didn't even recognize the degree to which it's
Kirsten:like, no, dude, you're an icon.
Kirsten:Like you're actually, you're one of the names.
Kirsten:So it's really interesting to me that no matter what your background is, no
Kirsten:matter what level you've attained in life, no matter how, you know, maybe
Kirsten:other people see you, you still have that head dialogue and that trauma
Kirsten:or that discussion or whatever it is.
Kirsten:In my case, it's the mean girl from high school.
Kirsten:Yeah.
Kirsten:Mm-hmm.
Kirsten:and.
Kirsten:. It's just interesting to see that that's kind of a universal
Kirsten:connection point for everybody.
Kirsten:Yeah, and I wouldn't have, honestly, wouldn't have called that.
Kirsten:My question to you is this, and we're gonna go into a slightly different area.
Kirsten:Do you think that one of the reasons why people are being more upfront about
Kirsten:their insecurities and their feelings is because the Global Pandemic had everybody
Kirsten:locked down for a year and a half?
Kirsten:Do you think that's why we see more of it?
Kirsten:What do you think?
Kellie:Yes.
Kellie:And so, okay.
Kellie:I think obviously to answer the question directly, yes, I do think the pandemic
Kellie:so thoroughly overtook all of our usual ways of doing whatever it was that we
Kellie:had to reinvent everything and that.
Kellie:In part, being more upfront about our feelings, often about being
Kellie:frazzled, overwhelmed, scared, immediate pandemic response.
Kellie:But once you're sharing feelings, you're sharing feelings.
Kellie:And that includes other kinds of feelings in other kinds of areas, not
Kellie:directly about surviving the pandemic.
Kellie:Mm-hmm.
Kellie:. And so I think, yeah, that has been part of the shift, but I
Kellie:also think, and here's the, and.
Kellie:That the group of nine people in S.H.I.P.
Kellie:is a community, and it's a community that has developed out of the
Kellie:larger Innovation Women community.
Kellie:And so that feeling of trust and safety and.
Kellie:The members all know each other to some extent, certainly feel comfortable with
Kellie:each other, trust each other, yes, to share these kinds of feelings about
Kellie:professional work where it might feel more vulnerable to share, say, imposter
Kellie:syndrome in your workplace, because isn't that going to sabotage your success?
Kellie:And so I think the fact.
Kellie:S.H.I.P.
Kellie:and more largely Innovation Women is a community, has created a space, is
Kellie:holding openness space not just to allow sharing feelings, but to encourage
Kellie:it, to nurture it, to support it.
Kirsten:I love that and I'm gonna tell Malia that she needs to take
Kirsten:that bit and copy it and put it on promos, , cuz that's perfect.
Kirsten:That's wonderful.
Kirsten:Yeah, I actually, excellent.
Kirsten:I, I completely see your point and I agree.
Kirsten:. I think the thing I'm finding frustrating as somebody who is, you know, a basically
Kirsten:a coach and a trainer for moving your conversations online or being more dynamic
Kirsten:and you're speaking, I keep encountering the, well, it's not the same online.
Kirsten:And it's like, no, but that doesn't mean it's worse, and that doesn't
Kirsten:mean you're not making genuine connections, and that doesn't mean
Kirsten:you're not having actual, genuine relationships in a virtual setting.
Kirsten:I mean, it frustrates me a lot that there's this, yeah.
Kirsten:only in person, because in person's great.
Kirsten:But the idea that you can't nurture genuine relationships, not physically
Kirsten:in the same space is horseshit.
Kirsten:It just is.
Kirsten:Yeah.
Kirsten:And I'm gonna say that because we've, we've got this podcast tagged
Kirsten:that, that occasionally we use the Cursy words . So we do, we do.
Kirsten:And I just, on that note, I'm gonna say this is my favorite
Kirsten:thing in the history of.
Kirsten:And yes, it is my last fuck.
Kirsten:Oh, look, it's on fire.
Kirsten:I just, mine's right
Kellie:there on the bookshelf behind me.
Kirsten:I love it.
Kirsten:So for, for those watching and listening, I got one of these for
Kirsten:every member of my team because we all have the same sense of humor, , and
Kirsten:it's kind of exactly where we are.
Kirsten:So, Yeah, so let's wrap up talking about S.H.I.P.
Kirsten:So in in that, we have lives that go out on LinkedIn and we also have a website,
Kirsten:which is, she has infinite potential.com.
Kirsten:But I definitely would like listeners and viewers to comment, to let me know
Kirsten:what, you know, have you been on panels?
Kirsten:Does that seem, if you're somebody who speaks, does
Kirsten:seem easier or harder for you?
Kirsten:How do you feel about that?
Kirsten:Because it's a different skillset for speakers.
Kirsten:To be working in a, in a shared environment.
Kirsten:Thank you, Angel, for joining us today with your barking.
Kirsten:Thank you.
Kirsten:That's helpful.
Kirsten:Angel agrees.
Kirsten:Angel agrees it's difficult.
Kirsten:, she's, yes, she's definitely helping out.
Kirsten:I can hear my, I can hear my teenager wrestling with the dog.
Kirsten:Trying to keep her quiet.
Kirsten:This is awesome.
Kirsten:. That's my little, little aside to everybody.
Kirsten:This is we are professionals.
Kirsten:We are professionals.
Kirsten:Professionals.
Kirsten:This is how it goes.
Kirsten:This has been a very special day.
Kirsten:It's fun.
Kirsten:I like it.
Kirsten:I hope everybody enjoys.
Kirsten:This is a slightly shorter podcast than the others, but I
Kirsten:hope you find something valuable.
Kirsten:I hope you come join us every time S.H.I.P.
Kirsten:does a little webinar.
Kirsten:There are good action items, so we try to give people something
Kirsten:they can actually work on.
Kirsten:So I'm gonna follow on that and say, Kellie, what action item would you
Kirsten:like to give people who watched this or listen to this episode today?
Kellie:Oh, people who watched or listen to this episode Today, I think
Kellie:of the theme of we are professionals.
Kellie:Were joking that we had some tech issues before we get started,
Kellie:which ultimately was because.
Kellie:My headphones didn't have a battery.
Kellie:So I would say the action item is what is the clunkiest part of your
Kellie:tech setup most likely to fail, and how can you add something to your SOP
Kellie:to make it smoother ahead of time?
Kellie:I have something for you, Kirsten, that I've been saving a little
Kellie:bit, and I'm gonna toss it into the conversation right now.
Kellie:There are nine women of.
Kellie:There are nine Greek muses, and the Greek muse of dance is Terpsichore.
Kellie:So my action item for ship is everybody else on the S.H.I.P.
Kellie:needs to identify their particular muse a lot, and I don't know who to assign
Kellie:to which, so I'm not gonna start that.
Kellie:But you get the easy one because of your dance back.
Kirsten:Yep.
Kirsten:And uh, and for those who are listening and watching who know what the SCA is,
Kirsten:which is a hobby group that Kellie is very active in, and I used to be, I do
Kirsten:also have an award called a Terpsichore.
Kirsten:Which is, oh, I didn't know you had that . Yes, I have a Terp.
Kirsten:I have a Terp, so I'm cracking up.
Kirsten:I'm like, yes, yes.
Kirsten:That's fantastic.
Kirsten:Of those.
Kirsten:All right, so obviously we're rocking all the geekiness today.
Kirsten:We're doing stuff, so here's my action item for everybody,
Kirsten:and it's not a physical action item, it's just a mental one.
Kirsten:One of the things that really, really throws people is when
Kirsten:things happen, like the dog barks or the kids walking, or the tech.
Kirsten:Please understand as really experienced trainers and teacher like Kellie
Kirsten:is, and speakers that we both are, we can both tell you, and please
Kirsten:just take it into your heart, that your audience wants you to succeed.
Kirsten:You are not speaking or teaching or presenting or doing something in an
Kirsten:environment where people want to see you be uncomfortable or miserable or
Kirsten:awkward, like they feel that for you.
Kirsten:So yeah, they understand.
Kirsten:and if something's going wrong, you can relax.
Kirsten:They're not, they're not judging you, they're understanding the pain.
Kirsten:I mean, okay, there will be the one in one in 20 person who
Kirsten:does judge you, but they're an asshole, so you can ignore them.
Kirsten:Everybody else
Kellie:and mostly feels it.
Kellie:They're laughing with
Kirsten:you.
Kirsten:Yes.
Kirsten:Yes.
Kirsten:Because
Kellie:somebody goes through this re refuse, not at you.
Kirsten:Yes.
Kirsten:Yes.
Kirsten:So please take my action item as please take internally.
Kirsten:, you can roll with whatever happens when you're presenting or teaching,
Kirsten:and especially when you're doing it online like this, it's okay, you know?
Kirsten:Yeah.
Kirsten:This is not, I will, I will take an old quote from my former e-Learning life.
Kirsten:This isn't surgery.
Kirsten:Nobody's dying.
Kirsten:Nobody's on fire, nobody's hurt.
Kirsten:It's okay.
Kirsten:Like seriously?
Kirsten:Yep.
Kirsten:This is not a crisis.
Kirsten:So just take that and kind of write that on a sticky note for yourself
Kirsten:please, and leave us comments.
Kirsten:Come see us on LinkedIn.
Kirsten:We are in LinkedIn in the Ongoing Mastery: Presenting & Speaking group.
Kirsten:And please follow Kellie and I on LinkedIn and come chat with us.
Kirsten:We are on all the socials.
Kirsten:Well.
Kirsten:Except TikTok, all of them.
Kirsten:And if you want us on TikTok, you're gonna have to give us some ideas.
Kirsten:I'm kidding.
Kirsten:I'm kidding.
Kirsten:We're not gonna be on TikTok, , so, alright.
Kirsten:I will.
Kirsten:Yeah.
Kirsten:I, I, I just realized my social media manager is gonna kill me for that, so.
Kirsten:Nope.
Kirsten:Nope.
Kirsten:Sorry.
Kirsten:I'm kidding.
Kirsten:. Sorry, dude.
Kirsten:Uh, herding cats.
Kirsten:herding cats.
Kirsten:herding cats.
Kirsten:herding cats.
Kirsten:All right.
Kirsten:Thank you everyone.
Kirsten:We've had a very special day.
Kirsten:I hope you enjoyed this and this gave you some chuckles and we will see you next.
Kirsten:Bye.