Episode 19

What Are We Learning from Our Recent Guests?

In this week's episode of Ongoing Mastery: Presenting & Speaking, Kirsten and Kellie highlight some of their favorite moments from interviews with recent guests Vanessa Zamy, Precious Williams, and Khadija Moore. We’re seeing new connections in our topics across the speaker-verse, and we’re both grateful for the opportunities that our ongoing mastery journey has opened up.

Key take-aways:

  • Vanessa: Stick with what works, don’t make decisions from fear 
  • Precious: Embrace who you are, show up boldly
  • Khadija: Focus on clear & concise communication for effective leadership

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Transcript
Kirsten:

Hello everybody.

Welcome to Ongoing Mastery:

Presenting & Speaking, the podcast, the conversation,

Welcome to Ongoing Mastery:

and in this case, the Giggle Fest.

Kellie:

Kirsten:

Today, what we've got is Kellie and I are a little punchy.

Kirsten:

We're coming up on Thanksgiving and we're, we're very, very grateful,

Kirsten:

and we're gonna talk about three of our interviews that we did

Kellie:

Yes

Kirsten:

And the, the people that, that we brought in.

Kirsten:

So, Kellie, who was our first interview that we wanna talk about?

Kellie:

Well, a couple weeks ago, we talked with Vanessa Zamy, the

Kellie:

Business Defibrillator, and I just love so much her work with her clients.

Kellie:

Her big piece of advice, one of her big pieces of advice, stick with what works.

Kellie:

If you want to grow your business, don't suddenly start trying a

Kellie:

whole bunch of different things.

Kellie:

And don't make decisions from fear, fear that you don't have whatever goals it is

Kellie:

you're trying to meet, fear that something you've tried isn't working right.

Kellie:

That, the, the focus of that is part of a message I really appreciate.

Kirsten:

And, as I was saying to you before we went on the air, and we're

Kirsten:

both on YouTube and we're also on all the audio versions, yeah, that

Kirsten:

pretty much just is me in spades.

Kirsten:

Because in our journey

Kellie:

Kirsten:

of, of getting this company off the ground, I've done, are we on two or

Kirsten:

three instances of me going, "I must fix it," and then hiring somebody to come

Kirsten:

in and just do a thing, to handle it.

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

which I've, it's been very educational, much learning.

Kellie:

So much learning.

Kirsten:

Yay

Kellie:

So much learning.

Kirsten:

Much wow.

Kirsten:

Yeah, no.

Kirsten:

So, yeah, that's been helpful.

Kirsten:

And, and one of the things I've put into place, which is for the audience, because

Kirsten:

you know this already, is both Kellie and Dani on my team are both empowered

Kirsten:

to basically go, "Uh, wait a minute.

Kirsten:

How did that decision get formed?"

Kirsten:

And what's nice is that now that I have that in place, I don't need it as much.

Kellie:

Mm-hmm

Kirsten:

Because there's a little part of my brain going, "Wait," because

Kirsten:

I was, almost did that yesterday.

Kirsten:

I was actually on something and I, you know, I was recommended this

Kirsten:

e-learning hero's site, which is wonderful, and they're great, and

Kirsten:

they're charming, and I was like, "Oh, I'll just sign up for the membership

Kirsten:

and I'll go in and I'll learn, wait.

Kirsten:

Wait."

Kellie:

Good job.

Kirsten:

"Maybe instead I'll talk to our new IT and social media guy and say, 'Go

Kirsten:

check it out and tell me what you think.

Kirsten:

And then I can,' I was like, "Okay, got it."

Kirsten:

Right back in.

Kirsten:

So yes, Vanessa is awesome.

Kirsten:

She's energetic.

Kirsten:

She's dynamic.

Kirsten:

The Business Defibrillator is, you know, I love the, I love that

Kirsten:

because that kind of says it all.

Kirsten:

All right.

Kirsten:

Who is our next guest that you wanna talk about?

Kellie:

Well, then we talked with Precious Williams, or I should say, you talked

Kellie:

with Precious and I very jealously could not be there for the recording, but

Kellie:

Precious always brings it wherever she is and I just, I just love that about her.

Kellie:

You meet her once and she is as authentic and genuine in a small

Kellie:

setting as she is in a big setting.

Kellie:

And I love her commitment to who she is and what she's about.

Kellie:

And she is not apologetic about it.

Kellie:

She is big, bold, and loud, and I just, I find that so inspiring, as someone

Kellie:

who has more wallflower tendencies that I have to work to get over.

Kellie:

I know you don't believe that, but it's true.

Kirsten:

I, I just, I just love the fact that you didn't

Kirsten:

think you had a dramatic streak.

Kirsten:

And I'm like, "Really?"

Kellie:

Kirsten:

Your husband and I might dispute that .

Kirsten:

Maybe we could talk to your teenage daughter about that.

Kellie:

Kirsten:

It's like, it's like, "No, there's no inherent

Kirsten:

drama built into the Kellie.

Kirsten:

No."

Kellie:

Whaaat?

Kirsten:

Maybe a little, yeah.

Kirsten:

The thing I, I, I really love about my interview with Precious

Kirsten:

was that it was a journey.

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

It was a, it was a trip.

Kirsten:

We went emotional, we went happy, we went deep, we went, you know, back

Kirsten:

out and kind of lightened it up a bit.

Kirsten:

But she's, she's a very, I mean, all everybody we've had on has

Kirsten:

been, has been really amazing.

Kirsten:

And what I haven't shared with you, so I will share with you now,

Kirsten:

live, is I've been getting these emails, you know, "We would like to

Kirsten:

book this person on your podcast."

Kirsten:

And I'm like, "No, that's not how this works."

Kirsten:

And I actually haven't responded back yet, where it's like,

Kirsten:

I don't need to find guests.

Kirsten:

I have, there are plenty of people that are awesome that we know that we wanna

Kirsten:

talk to and we wanna share with the world.

Kirsten:

I don't need to find an interesting guest.

Kirsten:

The problem is that we have slightly more interesting guests than we have time.

Kirsten:

And Precious is exactly an example of that, because, like with Vanessa and

Kirsten:

with Precious, those conversations could have gone two hours, but we're

Kirsten:

trying to keep the window of the podcast within a 20 minute bite size chunk for

Kirsten:

people driving and, and kind of how people are fitting it into their day.

Kirsten:

So it was a little painful, actually,

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

Not just hanging out, you know, when,

Kellie:

And we're failing at the 20 minute chunk, by the way.

Kellie:

Kirsten:

Well, we are, but we're not failing at the 30 minute chunk.

Kirsten:

We're keeping it, I mean, we haven't hit 40.

Kellie:

That's true.

Kirsten:

We're doing pretty good.

Kellie:

That's true.

Kirsten:

You know, the time limit thing is, is, is interesting

Kirsten:

because I was watching the video of me, because my TEDx, yay, my TEDx

Kellie:

Yay

Kirsten:

First one dropped two days ago, and I've been watching it, and

Kirsten:

the pressure in my speech is something that, I know why it was there.

Kirsten:

It was there because I was under a time limit and I had to get under 12

Kirsten:

minutes, and there was no running clock.

Kirsten:

Like, I would've put a shot clock in front of me so that I could then estimate,

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

But that would've really messed up the other speakers,

Kirsten:

and that's not how they do it.

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

So, I was mentally kind of doing the, "If I breathe in

Kirsten:

this and if I expand in this, I could be running over time, aaaah."

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

And so I'm watching it going, "Yeah, all right.

Kirsten:

In the future, I'm gonna set up my iPhone with a little clock facing

Kirsten:

me, so that I have my shot clock,

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

So I can keep myself in time and I can actually relax a little bit, and,

Kirsten:

you know, not be quite so pressured to be, "I wanna make sure I hit all the points."

Kirsten:

Because it's like, no, relax, it's fine.

Kirsten:

We've got time.

Kirsten:

So with Precious, she has been on book launch tour.

Kirsten:

She's got a TV show coming out.

Kirsten:

She's been doing all the things.

Kirsten:

And then Vanessa, and you, and I, and she and some other lovely

Kirsten:

people got together for dinner.

Kellie:

Yes

Kirsten:

And, and we've mentioned this in the podcast before, it was not

Kirsten:

only the most wonderful experience, but it's really funny watching

Kirsten:

people discover these personalities.

Kirsten:

Because the waitress fell so in love with the dynamic power of

Kirsten:

that group, that she was like,

Kellie:

It was great.

Kirsten:

"I, I wanna be here and no other person can come over and wait on you.

Kirsten:

You're mine."

Kirsten:

It was wonderful.

Kellie:

Kirsten:

So, it was a really powerful interview.

Kirsten:

It's nice that she's, she's very upfront, which I appreciate.

Kirsten:

She's very respectful about the fact that, you know, it's like, she has an

Kirsten:

intense, tough journey that she's been on and she shares that, and she's very

Kirsten:

vulnerable about it, which is awesome.

Kirsten:

I really respect that.

Kellie:

Me too, me too.

Kirsten:

The next person that you want to,

Kellie:

And then, most recently we spoke with Khadija Moore,

Kellie:

and I love that she sits at an intersection of multiple disciplines.

Kellie:

She says about herself, she sits at the three way corner of HR, and

Kellie:

operations, and learning and development.

Kellie:

And what I love about that is the way that it gives her so much flexibility

Kellie:

for addressing the work that she does.

Kellie:

And her message is a lot about clear, consistent, concise communication, which,

Kirsten:

Yep

Kellie:

Of course, I always appreciate.

Kirsten:

It is your thing.

Kellie:

It is my thing.

Kellie:

I like that she brings those three professional disciplines together to

Kellie:

look at this in a multilayered way and not just from a single perspective.

Kirsten:

Yeah, I, I loved, I met her on a panel, and I'm really grateful

Kirsten:

to the Learning Guild and to Mark Britz for, you know, giving me the

Kirsten:

opportunities to be on these panels and meet and work with these amazing people.

Kirsten:

And it's really nice to be able to do the thought leader, as much as I hate

Kirsten:

the term "thought leader," hate it, hate it, but to do the learning leader,

Kirsten:

thought leadership thing and to be kind of sharing experience with people and

Kirsten:

getting, you know, trying to help steer the extended, kind of, career paths of

Kirsten:

people in our related fields is really,

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

Is really powerful.

Kirsten:

And I, I love, she's just a wonderful speaker.

Kirsten:

She's elegant.

Kirsten:

She's got it; it's all there, you know, she's gorgeous.

Kirsten:

So it's kind of one of those where watching her, it's like

Kirsten:

she's just a very bright cookie.

Kirsten:

And they all were, I mean, all three of these women, they're, they're stunning.

Kirsten:

They're powerful.

Kirsten:

They're gorgeous.

Kirsten:

And it's been a hoot, and I'm gonna completely throw a curve ball into

Kirsten:

the mix because I did one that I don't think you've heard yet, which is I

Kirsten:

did an interview with Von Glitschka.

Kellie:

Right

Kirsten:

And Von I interviewed, I think 15 years ago on the

Kirsten:

podcast I used to be cohost on.

Kellie:

Oh, wow

Kirsten:

So, back when I was on eLearn Chat with Rick Zanotti, hi Rick, I

Kirsten:

interviewed Von and we talked about, talked about kind of the e-learning

Kirsten:

and graphics and all of that.

Kirsten:

And I asked him to come on and talk about visuals, and visuals specifically related

Kirsten:

to presenting and how that enhances your message and what the value is.

Kirsten:

And I am dying to have that video be shown to our graphics god, Jim, and to, kind of,

Kirsten:

just have him watch it and then get his take because it was, talking with somebody

Kirsten:

who has Jim's level of brilliance, like Von does, and really goes deep in on

Kirsten:

the subject and thinks about it in a way that is, is a wonderful perspective.

Kirsten:

It's kind of, it's not alien to my way of thinking, but it's a stretch

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

For me.

Kellie:

Mm-hmm

Kirsten:

That, it was really wonderful.

Kirsten:

And I noticed that all of the lessons from all of the people, from Vanessa,

Kirsten:

to Precious, to Khadija, to Von, I was actually absorbing those in the last

Kirsten:

couple of conferences I was running in.

Kirsten:

And one of the things I noticed was, you know, sort of how people were

Kirsten:

doing their stage work and how they were, who was being vulnerable, who

Kirsten:

wasn't, kind of those same lessons.

Kirsten:

And then when it came to graphics, we're gonna have to do some work,

Kirsten:

because every single person I saw,

Kellie:

Mmmm

Kirsten:

Every single presentation I saw had issues where I'm like, "Contrast?

Kirsten:

Contrast.

Kirsten:

Contrast is a thing.

Kirsten:

Do not"

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

"Put those colors together, dear Lord."

Kirsten:

And I don't know, I don't know if I told you this one, but since we're on a

Kirsten:

podcast and I haven't shared it with the class, I'm gonna share it with the class.

Kirsten:

I met some amazing, really high level, learning people.

Kirsten:

And I met a gentleman who has been CLO of every bloody major company on

Kirsten:

the planet and is a really charming, sweet, wonderful man and got to go

Kirsten:

out to dinner with him and chat.

Kirsten:

And then I sat in on one of his sessions, and at one point, I was,

Kirsten:

I was back channeling on my phone to him on LinkedIn going, "Um, we need to

Kirsten:

talk about the contrast on your slides.

Kirsten:

I'm not happy."

Kellie:

Kirsten:

And I just met this man, you know, I'd only met him

Kirsten:

the night before, really, but I was just like, "Dude, please."

Kirsten:

And then, he's doing his presentation, and he got to a point where there was

Kirsten:

this one thing where the colors shifted before, you know, when he, like, they

Kirsten:

were clearly not the right colors.

Kirsten:

And he turned and he looked at it and he went, "Oh," and then he pointed to

Kirsten:

me in the back of the room and said,

Kellie:

Kirsten:

"She's gonna give me hell about this."

Kellie:

Yep

Kirsten:

And I, and everybody looked and I went, "I already sent you a message,"

Kellie:

Kirsten:

and everybody lost it, and I'm like, "Hi, thank you.

Kirsten:

Hello.

Kirsten:

Love you too."

Kellie:

Kirsten:

But, this is somebody, this guy is like CLO of

Kirsten:

Amazon Web Services right now.

Kirsten:

He's a big, big, big freaking deal in the universe, and yet

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

is present, and honest, and humble, and that's kind of

Kirsten:

what I love about everybody I met.

Kirsten:

There are people in our field, in our related presenting and speaking

Kirsten:

universe, that are, they're not great.

Kirsten:

They're basically carnival barkers and they do "the smile ta-ching and the little

Kirsten:

glint comes off their tooth," but there's so few of them compared to the ones

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

That aren't.

Kirsten:

I mean, it's, it's just refreshing as hell to meet these people.

Kirsten:

And honestly, on some level it's like, is this gonna be a person who's so completely

Kirsten:

absorbed in their own self, because frankly, they're pretty high level?

Kirsten:

No.

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

Completely just open, and relaxed, and casual.

Kirsten:

I got to watch another presenter, and I walked up to him afterwards, and

Kirsten:

this, again, super experienced person.

Kirsten:

He got inducted into the the master's level of the Learning

Kirsten:

Guild that day or that event.

Kirsten:

And I leaned in when he was done and I said, "You know, your stagecraft

Kirsten:

is superb," or something like that.

Kirsten:

And he looked at me and he's like, "You noticed?"

Kirsten:

And

Kellie:

Awww

Kirsten:

You know, because it's, it should be invisible, right?

Kirsten:

It's invisible, right?

Kirsten:

If you do it right, it just looks like it's easy.

Kirsten:

But watching these people, and that's the same with Vanessa, and Precious,

Kirsten:

and Khadija, and Von, is watching people who really get ongoing mastery is, I

Kirsten:

think, the thing I'm most grateful for.

Kirsten:

And that's the part

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

That I'm gonna just say for, for this Thanksgiving year.

Kirsten:

I am, I'm beyond, my heart is absolutely full with the people

Kirsten:

I've met who get what we care about.

Kirsten:

They get the mission.

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

They get the work, and it's like, yes, there's people who actually

Kirsten:

understand it's an ongoing development.

Kirsten:

You grow as a person.

Kirsten:

You're never done.

Kirsten:

It's not static.

Kirsten:

So, I'm super, super grateful.

Kirsten:

What are you grateful for, Miss Kellie?

Kellie:

So, Miss Kirsten,

Kirsten:

Kellie:

What you were saying about taking the lessons from the various

Kellie:

interviews and seeing them live in the world, I feel that way about your

Kellie:

interview coming up, well, coming up in podcast, you've already recorded it,

Kellie:

with Kristin Spencer and storytelling.

Kellie:

And since she's come into our orbit, I'm paying so much more

Kellie:

attention to storytelling.

Kellie:

And, of course, we went to The Moth earlier in the year, and I'm just really

Kellie:

appreciating, I am really grateful for that increased attention to narrative

Kirsten:

Mmmm

Kellie:

And to the importance of story and connection through story.

Kellie:

That, as someone who works in literature, I work in story, but it has been

Kellie:

hard to sometimes see that outside of the classroom, that it's been a much

Kellie:

more efficient, just what you need, no extra fluff, that any of the sort

Kellie:

of human elements were disposable.

Kirsten:

Yeah

Kellie:

And I don't know if it's pandemic-related or not, but I am deeply

Kellie:

grateful for a recentering, a revaluing of human connection through storytelling.

Kirsten:

Yeah

Kellie:

And I am grateful I get to work with you.

Kellie:

I am grateful we get to do this thing.

Kirsten:

I'll give you your money later.

Kellie:

It's exciting.

Kellie:

Okay.

Kellie:

It's exciting and it's not something, if you'd asked me

Kellie:

in January, that I thought I'd be doing.

Kellie:

So it's something new for me, and new is always exciting, even when it's scary.

Kirsten:

Yeah, I'm super grateful.

Kirsten:

I got to have a interview, not a podcast interview, just a business

Kirsten:

chat interview with somebody yesterday, and they were saying, "Oh, so you have

Kirsten:

these people that work with and for you, and that's amazing and you're, you're

Kirsten:

less than a year in your business."

Kirsten:

And I said, "Yeah, let me tell you about them."

Kirsten:

And I started

Kellie:

Kirsten:

Telling her about you, and about Dani, and about Jim, and now Dani's

Kirsten:

husband, Alex, is joining the team.

Kirsten:

And, you know, I was describing, like, what you, what you all do and how you,

Kirsten:

you know, how everybody connects and, and, and the generosity you've all given

Kirsten:

me, and just the massive amounts of, just, I can't even begin to describe it.

Kirsten:

And she was like, "That's, um, wow."

Kirsten:

I'm like, "Yeah, yeah"

Kellie:

Yeah

Kirsten:

"It's not common.

Kirsten:

It is, it is an uncommon experience to have people basically bending

Kirsten:

over backwards for you on a regular basis because they choose to.

Kirsten:

It's like, "Holy crap.

Kirsten:

What?

Kirsten:

What is this?

Kirsten:

This is amazing."

Kirsten:

And last night we, we just brought Alex onto the team, literally yesterday and

Kirsten:

last night, Kellie and I were on Slack watching as Alex is going, "Oh my God.

Kirsten:

Oh my God.

Kirsten:

There's numbers, there's this, there's that."

Kirsten:

And it's like, oh, we have an Energizer Bunny.

Kirsten:

Awesome.

Kirsten:

This is gonna be fun.

Kirsten:

So we're watching him ping around in Slack going, "Ooh, I've got new metrics.

Kirsten:

I've got new metrics I can play with."

Kirsten:

And it's like, "Yeah, we definitely have the right people."

Kellie:

Yeah, definitely.

Kirsten:

So

Kellie:

He's going to do just fine.

Kirsten:

Yeah.

Kirsten:

Well, I love the fact that Dani kind of, I have to explain this

Kirsten:

to the audience because you guys don't, don't know how this works.

Kirsten:

Dani's our operations person and she's the youngest of our crew.

Kirsten:

She also is somebody that you simply do not, and I'm gonna

Kirsten:

get the, the warning on this.

Kirsten:

So yes, adulty language coming.

Kirsten:

The people who don't like it, hi.

Kirsten:

She is someone one does not fuck with.

Kirsten:

You just, she is nope, wrong, girl from

Kirsten:

Queens, just don't go there.

Kirsten:

And she informed me, as the CEO, that Alex would be a benefit and there was places

Kirsten:

where she wanted him to be doing stuff.

Kirsten:

And that he would be coming on board, but at the same, what I'm paying

Kirsten:

her would pay for her and Alex, and I went, "That makes no sense."

Kirsten:

And she goes, "Yeah, I know, but you're doing it anyway."

Kellie:

Yep

Kirsten:

And I'm like, "Um, um, I have a real problem with that."

Kirsten:

And she's like, "You'll get over it."

Kellie:

And let the record show, she was right.

Kirsten:

And she was right.

Kirsten:

You know?

Kirsten:

Yeah.

Kirsten:

And I kind of am like, "Okay, you're basically giving me free,

Kirsten:

you're giving me free talent.

Kirsten:

Aaah, okay.

Kirsten:

Thank you."

Kirsten:

And there's reasons and, and, you know, he will get benefit out of it.

Kirsten:

It's not, we're not taking ill advantage of the man, but it's just amazing.

Kirsten:

So very, very grateful.

Kirsten:

Grateful to everybody who listens to the podcast.

Kirsten:

Grateful to the folks who are joining the LinkedIn Ongoing

Mastery:

Presenting & Speaking group.

Mastery:

And we hope to be doing more things.

Mastery:

I did record my first live coaching session with someone, which Kellie

Mastery:

hasn't heard yet, and was amazing.

Mastery:

The woman was so gracious, and sweet, and wonderful.

Mastery:

Her name's Keva.

Kellie:

Oh, I'm excited.

Kirsten:

I actually was like, I didn't know how it was gonna work

Kirsten:

because I'm like, "Who's gonna be willing to let me live coach them,

Kirsten:

and then put it out on a podcast?"

Kirsten:

And she was amazing.

Kirsten:

She was great.

Kellie:

Fantastic.

Kirsten:

So, lots of fun.

Kirsten:

And yeah, so, ride with us.

Kirsten:

We're, we're growing.

Kirsten:

We're changing.

Kirsten:

We're evolving.

Kirsten:

We have some really big things coming up in 2023, holy cow.

Kirsten:

So, lots of things.

Kirsten:

Lots of fun.

Kirsten:

Please come to the group, make comments on all the socials.

Kellie:

All of them.

Kirsten:

If Twitter is still alive at the point of this

Kirsten:

recording, come find me there.

Kirsten:

If not, I will

Kellie:

Make Alex happy, make Alex happy, give him metrics.

Kirsten:

Give him metrics.

Kirsten:

We want metrics.

Kirsten:

Yeah, if, if Twitter has died, I'll either be on Mastodon or Post, probably.

Kirsten:

Come find us.

Kirsten:

So who knows?

Kirsten:

We'll see how it goes.

Kellie:

See, part of ongoing mastery is mastering new communication tools.

Kirsten:

Yes, and and I will say as my last thing, because we did cross

Kirsten:

the 20 minute Rubicon, which, of course, we do sometimes, because screw

Kirsten:

it, you know, time is an illusion.

Kirsten:

I am beyond grateful for Kellie and the fact that it's your birthday.

Kellie:

Kirsten:

Happy birthday, honey.

Kellie:

Thank you.

Kellie:

Thank you.

Kirsten:

And, when you come over, if you want to go out to lunch and

Kirsten:

I will buy you some chocolate cake.

Kellie:

Let's have lunch.

Kirsten:

Okay, sounds good.

Kirsten:

All right, so we're gonna do that, because she lives near my house, so y'all

Kirsten:

can just have virtual chocolate cake.

Kirsten:

Here, have some.

Kirsten:

I hope it's tasty.

Kirsten:

And we will see everybody next week, all right.

Kellie:

Cheers.

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Presentation and Speaking Skills for Business Leaders

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